These paddles do not have the desired "VERTICAL PADDLE" feel like Scuffs custom paddles. I own a Scuff Prestige. It has the Vertical paddle setup. Vertical allows for easy 4 paddle use. However, these feel waaaay better than the paddles and setup Microsoft designed. So first off, anyone crying about the controller not sitting on the charger/bad design,wont seat on charger. Uh,,DUH.. Why would these SCUFF PADDLES seat on the factory charger made and designed for the paddles that come with elite series 2? THATS THE WHOLE ENTIRE POINT! We bought these paddles because the paddle design control system, layout and design is horrible! Impossible not to accidentaly hit wrong paddle when in a tense fight etc. The design is bad, thats why we bought the SCUFF PADDLES. They seat waay better and the ergonomic de3sign is what were all after. ( THE GUY WHO SAID,"BAD DESIGN, YOU CANT SIT CONTROLLER ON CHARGER WITH PADDLES ON. YOU GOTTA TAKE PADDLES OFF! BAD DESIGN! ) what???! These paddles have a completely different RERGONOMIC feel and DESIGN. They sit so much better on the elite. Now i can use ALL 4 PADDLES, and it feels great! After 10+ hors of hard gaming and battery still going, I sit the Elite down, wipe off any debris, sweat or whaterver, pull off scuff paddles, wipe elite down, clean up paddles and sit the controller on the charger, and IT CHARGES FULLY IN UNDER AN HOUR. Look, anyone who talks about the scuff paddles when installed wont allow controller to seat on charging dock at the same time..IS MISSING THE ENTIRE POINTR OF THESE SCUFF PADDLES. PERIOD. The whole entire point of the scuff paddles is were all looking for a much better designed, and ergonomical feel to our paddles. A set of paddles that allow you to keep ALL 4 on and have a great feel! * Bottom line, these are waay better that the paddle design that came with controller. However, their still not quite the VERTICAL PADDLE CONTROL SYSTEM and DESIGN of the Scuff Prestige. Or, the ELITE SERIES 1 SCUFF PADDLE CONTROL SYSTEM. Now that paddle system scuff designed for the Elite series 1, THAT WAS AWESOME.
So here it is. I own an Elite series 1,with the Vertical Paddle control system by Scuff, "AWESOME". My Elite series 2, with these Scuff paddles are pretty good. Scuffs paddle system for the Elite Series 1 "FAR SUPERIOR" to these. Then theres my Scuff Prestige, " THE KING" of controllers. The paddle system on the Prestige is "INCREDIBLE" and that controller is as light as a feather. They all have their Positives/negatives, but were talking about these new scuff paddles. THEIR NICE! Anyone thats even half a gamer couldnt care less that the elite controller wont seat on charging dock with the scuff paddles connected. LOL, thats the dumbest complaint i heard yet. If you guys wanna game with 4PADDLES and feel comfortable doing it, get these Scuff paddles. If you want a 4 PADDLE controller you can master and feels awesome in your hand,,,,Get a Scuff Prestige for the XBOX.